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 PostPosted: Tue 04 Jul 2017 11:45 am   

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We are brand new to II (giving it a whirl, hoping we can book some resorts that we really want), but have been WM owners since 2002. We do have some questions that we are hoping someone can answer:

1. How do you define in the exchange on the II website that you are giving Blue weeks? It just asks for Bedrooms, Kitchen (yes or no).
2. We have quite a few points, so does it HELP to put up a 3 bedroom or is a 2 bedroom better?

I know these are very basic questions, but would appreciate any info and insight before we submit the exchange in II.

Thank you!
Lori


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 PostPosted: Tue 04 Jul 2017 12:33 pm   

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youngimpressions wrote:
We are brand new to II (giving it a whirl, hoping we can book some resorts that we really want), but have been WM owners since 2002. We do have some questions that we are hoping someone can answer:

1. How do you define in the exchange on the II website that you are giving Blue weeks? It just asks for Bedrooms, Kitchen (yes or no).
2. We have quite a few points, so does it HELP to put up a 3 bedroom or is a 2 bedroom better?

I know these are very basic questions, but would appreciate any info and insight before we submit the exchange in II.

Thank you!
Lori


There is way more to your question than is suitable for this thread. Start a new thread and give us a few more specifics especially where and when you want to go plus size needed. We can coach you through the differences between Deposit and Request First (you have looked at the latter but this thread is about the former) and other aspects of using II. Things have changed over the years making some of the older threads out of date. Starting a new one with your questions would be a good primer for others.

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Non-WM:II (All blue deposits; studio-2BR) Grand Monarch Cancun, Newport Coast Villas, Pollard Brook, Harbor Ridge, FSA, Sedona Summit, Starr Pass Golf Suites, Lawrence Welk Resort villas, Stoneridge at Blanchard, Hyatt High Sierra, Ridge Tahoe, Marriott Desert Springs, Wyndham Oceanside on trade with owner. Manteo Club, Sunchaser Riverside, Suites at Fisherman's Wharf,Mountainside Fairmont Hot Springs. Getaways/AC: Ridge Tahoe, The Pines at Sunriver, Eagle Crest, Sedona Summit.
RCI:Lagoon Shores at Roche Harbor, Stoneridge (Sunriver), San Luis Bay Inn, GEVC at Lighthouse Point.


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 PostPosted: Tue 04 Jul 2017 6:29 pm   
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(I split the thread, and retitled it, so we can answer your question without unrelated posts.)

Hi YoungImpressions,
welcome to the WMOwners.com forum.

Since you are a beginner, we would recommend that you use "Request First" method of exchange. That means you do NOT make a deposit to II.
Instead, you set up a search. It does not matter whether you use a 2 br float or a 3br float - you will be charged the number of credits required for the size unit you receive.

If you never get your trade, you may call II and cancel it to get your exchange fee refunded.
Or, you may change the parameters of the search at any time.
e.g Add/ Delete resorts, change dates, change minimum unit size requested

But you don't risk giving II a deposit and then not getting a trade.

Deposit First:
As you become more experienced, you may be willing to gamble, by asking WorldMark to spacebank 4000, 5000, or 6000 credits, which they will convert to a blue studio, 1 br, or 2 br, respectively. In 2 - 3 weeks, a WM resort week will be deposited to your II account You have no power over which week you will receive. Then you use that week to search manually, or with an ongoing search request.
The spacebank is non-reversible. Those credits are out of your WM account, and you now have a blue week that has been given to II.
I mostly use the spacebank to get rid of expiring/expired credits. They get approximately 2 more years of life in II.

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 PostPosted: Tue 04 Jul 2017 8:12 pm   

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Request First has stronger trading power than a blue deposit. As a result, you have a better chance of getting hard to get locations.
Deposit First with a blue week, is a gamble. Sometimes you get a good week/resort and sometimes not so much. If you get the former, you can trade up in quality. If the latter, you will need to work hard to get a decent trade. For deposit first, you need flexibility. If you want a school vacation week at a popular spot, use Request First. If you want off season at a less popular spot, then Deposit First might be for you.

So tell us where you want to go and when you travel and we can give you an idea of what is possible/likely.

Sue

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Non-WM:II (All blue deposits; studio-2BR) Grand Monarch Cancun, Newport Coast Villas, Pollard Brook, Harbor Ridge, FSA, Sedona Summit, Starr Pass Golf Suites, Lawrence Welk Resort villas, Stoneridge at Blanchard, Hyatt High Sierra, Ridge Tahoe, Marriott Desert Springs, Wyndham Oceanside on trade with owner. Manteo Club, Sunchaser Riverside, Suites at Fisherman's Wharf,Mountainside Fairmont Hot Springs. Getaways/AC: Ridge Tahoe, The Pines at Sunriver, Eagle Crest, Sedona Summit.
RCI:Lagoon Shores at Roche Harbor, Stoneridge (Sunriver), San Luis Bay Inn, GEVC at Lighthouse Point.


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 PostPosted: Wed 05 Jul 2017 6:54 am   

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Thank you for splitting the post - I was not sure how to do that! We appreciate all the help we can get! We had an understanding of II years ago (never used it, but understood how it worked), but as mentioned, II has changed over the years.

Sue - we are wanting Hawaii (I know, a tough one) - since we live in Phoenix, we like to vacation during the hot months here (totally opposite of what we did when we lived in WA!) so we are looking for weeks May 1 - September-ish. We actually prefer to go in June/July, but we are flexible. My thought process was to be a little bit flexible with locations; meaning while we would prefer Maui, but open it up to resorts on Kauai as well.

Any advise would be greatly appreciated.
Lori


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 PostPosted: Fri 07 Jul 2017 4:05 pm   

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I'm going to do a series of posts to summarize Deposit first. Hawaii is a frequent request so it makes a great specific example to help others sort it all out. However, I don't do Hawaii so others will need to chime in on specifics about when and where to request.

First: Manage expectations
Deposit First requires flexibility in both when and where you want to go. Once deposited, those credits are gone so there is no going back. If you need a specific week at a specific location, especially if it's during a school holiday, then use Request First. Deposit First is a gamble with no guarantee of success. I've never gotten an exchange I didn't like, but I've had to work at it.
The trade power of any deposit will be lower than using the WM Float. The latter is a combination of all the various WM units and its trading power is pretty strong. Your deposit will be a specific week and might range from a dog (who wants to go there?) to a great option. A blue deposit is, by definition, the lowest season so while you may get a desired location (like Seaside) it will be at the least desirable time. As a result, have multiple options in both location and time to give yourself the widest range of opportunity to use your week. Add in those hard to get times/places (nothing ventured, nothing gained) but have multiple backup plans.

Check these threads to see what is possible: focus on posts from the last year or two
https://wmowners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=33725 and
https://wmowners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=6634

The OP wants Hawaii between May and Sept. It can be done, but you will want some backup options as well. May and Sept is the best chance. The Travel Demand Index is II's guide to trade power. It is listed for a specific geographic locality vs resort so you have to take it with a grain of salt, but it will give you an idea. Hawaii is listed as above average demand the entire year, i.e. over 100. May and Sept are the lowest times. Set up an ongoing search with as many different resorts and dates as you will accept and hope for the best.

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Non-WM:II (All blue deposits; studio-2BR) Grand Monarch Cancun, Newport Coast Villas, Pollard Brook, Harbor Ridge, FSA, Sedona Summit, Starr Pass Golf Suites, Lawrence Welk Resort villas, Stoneridge at Blanchard, Hyatt High Sierra, Ridge Tahoe, Marriott Desert Springs, Wyndham Oceanside on trade with owner. Manteo Club, Sunchaser Riverside, Suites at Fisherman's Wharf,Mountainside Fairmont Hot Springs. Getaways/AC: Ridge Tahoe, The Pines at Sunriver, Eagle Crest, Sedona Summit.
RCI:Lagoon Shores at Roche Harbor, Stoneridge (Sunriver), San Luis Bay Inn, GEVC at Lighthouse Point.


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 PostPosted: Fri 07 Jul 2017 4:14 pm   

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What size to deposit.
This is much easier to answer now. Deposit the size unit you want to trade into. There are many older posts of using a studio to trade into a 2 BR but those days are mostly gone. It can still be done, but the cost savings aren't worth the risk.
There have been two major changes in this area.
First, there is more demand for the units that are being deposited and there are fewer deposits. This is a combination of better economic times, more renting (because it's become so much easier) and changes in other timeshares that result in fewer deposits being made.
The second and probably biggest impact is II's fairly new upgrade fee. At $59/level, you only save about $10 over depositing a larger size and you can't set up an ongoing search (mostly) for the larger size. The latter is pretty important so just deposit the size you want.

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Non-WM:II (All blue deposits; studio-2BR) Grand Monarch Cancun, Newport Coast Villas, Pollard Brook, Harbor Ridge, FSA, Sedona Summit, Starr Pass Golf Suites, Lawrence Welk Resort villas, Stoneridge at Blanchard, Hyatt High Sierra, Ridge Tahoe, Marriott Desert Springs, Wyndham Oceanside on trade with owner. Manteo Club, Sunchaser Riverside, Suites at Fisherman's Wharf,Mountainside Fairmont Hot Springs. Getaways/AC: Ridge Tahoe, The Pines at Sunriver, Eagle Crest, Sedona Summit.
RCI:Lagoon Shores at Roche Harbor, Stoneridge (Sunriver), San Luis Bay Inn, GEVC at Lighthouse Point.


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 PostPosted: Fri 07 Jul 2017 4:39 pm   

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Trade Power. This is a mystery. II doesn't reveal the 'secret sauce' behind the scenes of what makes up trade power. All we can do is observe and draw some conclusions.

1. It takes time to get a feel for what locations and times are possible. The best way to do this is by doing lots of searches over time and see what shows up when. In addition, as mentioned above, you can check the TDI (Trade Demand Index) to get a general idea. However, this is not a one-to-one comparison. I have used blue Seaside weeks to trade into FSA (Four Seasons Aviara; a high demand location) in January multiple times. The TDI for the Seaside weeks is around 70-75 while the FSA weeks are 85-90 so use this as a general guide only. The TDI ranges from 50-150 with 100 being average.

2. Watch for Bulk Deposits. This is when you get the really good stuff. Trade power needed seems to be lower at this time. Check the sightings threads both here and on tug to see when those bulk deposits are done for the resorts you want and try to have an ongoing search set up in advance.

3. DO AN ONGOING SEARCH. I've capitalized this because this is the most important way to get the best units. You can only search for the size unit you have deposited, or less so this is the main reason to not deposit a unit size less than you want. You need to supply at least 3 different requests which can be different weeks or resorts. Start with what you want but with as wide a choice as possible. The deposit is good for 2 years after the date of the week you get so try for what you really want first. You can always add in more options later.

4. An ongoing search can up the trade power a little bit. Do lots of searches with your deposit but also with the float week. If you see something you want with the float, but not with your deposit, try setting up an ongoing search to include that week. It will sometimes match overnight. Sometimes it works, sometimes not, but it's worth a try.

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Non-WM:II (All blue deposits; studio-2BR) Grand Monarch Cancun, Newport Coast Villas, Pollard Brook, Harbor Ridge, FSA, Sedona Summit, Starr Pass Golf Suites, Lawrence Welk Resort villas, Stoneridge at Blanchard, Hyatt High Sierra, Ridge Tahoe, Marriott Desert Springs, Wyndham Oceanside on trade with owner. Manteo Club, Sunchaser Riverside, Suites at Fisherman's Wharf,Mountainside Fairmont Hot Springs. Getaways/AC: Ridge Tahoe, The Pines at Sunriver, Eagle Crest, Sedona Summit.
RCI:Lagoon Shores at Roche Harbor, Stoneridge (Sunriver), San Luis Bay Inn, GEVC at Lighthouse Point.


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 PostPosted: Fri 07 Jul 2017 4:52 pm   
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Are you searching for THIS summer?

Maui is the hardest island to get.
Your ideal scenario is to have WM as your backup resevation. That way if Westin or Marriott do not come through, you still have a great vacation.

MMO Marriott Maui Ocean Club (hotel conversion) is the easiest of the "hard to get". There is no kitchen, since it's two hotel rooms converted to make a 1 br.

MM1 is the purpose built Marriott Maui Napili & Lahaina towers. These have a kitchen. These show up much less frequently.

The Westin Ka'anapali now has 3 side by side resorts, KAA, KAN and WNA. Because WNA is currently being sold, there have been some recent deposits into II.

Set up a search for
KAA, KAN, WNA, MMO, MM1

1 br will be easier than 2 br
Studio will be easier than 1 br

Pay the exchange fee, and you are off to the races.

Remember, 9,000 WM points + HK + exchange fee for a 1 br at any of the above is a tremendous bargain!

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 PostPosted: Fri 07 Jul 2017 5:22 pm   

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How to Deposit a week:

Credits needed: you can find the chart on worldmarktheclub.com under RCI Exchange and then click the link under Confirm First.
The following are blue, white and red credits, in that order, needed for each size
studio: 4000, 6000, 8000
one BR: 5000, 7000, 9000
2 BR: 6000, 8000, 10000
3 BR: 7000, 9000, 12000

Call VPC and tell them you want to do an II deposit. You may have to ask for a supervisor. II deposits are less common and some of the newer folks just know RCI so be persistent if they tell you no.

Indicate size and color. You have no choice of the specific resort. They will take the number of credits needed for that combination. If you don't specify size and season, your 2 BR deposit (6000 credits) might turn into a white studio (6000 credits), so be specific.

If you want specific credits used, such as soon to expire credits that might be hiding in a reservation: set up a reservation for the number of credits needed that will occur before your earliest reservation. Wait until the credit shuffle has run overnight. When you call, tell them to take the credits from that reservation. The VPC can also do this at the same time you deposit, but it's easier to set it up in advance. This is especially true given the lack of experience in II deposits by many VPC's.

There is no good reason to do a red deposit unless you have credits about to expire and no alternative in using them. Otherwise, use Request first via the WM float week. You will pay the same price but have much more flexibility and trade power.

It can take several weeks for your deposit to show up in your II account.

Quality of deposits seems to go in cycles. So please report any deposits you get.

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Resorts Visited: All WA, OR, ID, MT, CO, UT resorts + Las Vegas Blvd, Reno, South Shore, Rancho Vistoso, Bison Ranch, Fairfield Sedona, Big Bear, Bass Lake, Angels Camp, Marina Dunes, San Francisco, Windsor, Clear Lake, Kona, Kauai, Oceanside, Pismo Beach, Solvang.

Non-WM:II (All blue deposits; studio-2BR) Grand Monarch Cancun, Newport Coast Villas, Pollard Brook, Harbor Ridge, FSA, Sedona Summit, Starr Pass Golf Suites, Lawrence Welk Resort villas, Stoneridge at Blanchard, Hyatt High Sierra, Ridge Tahoe, Marriott Desert Springs, Wyndham Oceanside on trade with owner. Manteo Club, Sunchaser Riverside, Suites at Fisherman's Wharf,Mountainside Fairmont Hot Springs. Getaways/AC: Ridge Tahoe, The Pines at Sunriver, Eagle Crest, Sedona Summit.
RCI:Lagoon Shores at Roche Harbor, Stoneridge (Sunriver), San Luis Bay Inn, GEVC at Lighthouse Point.


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