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Posted: Fri 13 Apr 2007 12:20 am |
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The news is in and it's not good. Gone are the days of being able to get a 2-bdrm unit in red season for 10,000 credits. While we got used to the higher credits in Hawai'i, we're now seeing higher credit allocation at the new resorts, urban or more rural.
The chart below shows credits for red season. The new resorts are in red.
| Unit Size | Oceanside | Indio | Mission Valley | Angel’s Camp | West Yellowstone | Anaheim
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| Studio | 7,000 | 7,000 | n/a | n/a | 10,000 | 11,000
| | 1-bdrm | 8,000 | 9,000 | 12,500 | 8,000 | 11,000 | 14,000
| | 2-bdrm | 10,000 | 11,000 | 15,000 | 10,000 | 13,500 | 16,500
| | 3-bdrm | 12,000 | 13,000 | n/a | 12,000 | 15,500 | 20,000
| | 3-bdrm penthouse | 18,000 | 18,000 | n/a | 18,000 | n/a | n/a
| | 3 or 4-bdrm presidential.... | n/a | 30,000... | n/a | n/a | 30,000 | 35,000/40,000
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Note: Sizes listed below are for unit comparisonPenthouse units in Oceanside range from 1,599 to 1,921 square feet
Penthouses in Indio are 1,745 square feet
Presidential units in Indio range from 2,589 to 2,678 square feet and have 4 bedrooms
Presidential units in West Yellowstone 2,141 square feet and have 3 bedrooms
The Anaheim resort has very small balconies, no BBQ on the deck, no fireplace, and is RED all year long
Edited 09/09/2009 to add Anaheim resort. |
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Posted: Thu 19 Apr 2007 5:09 pm |
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| There has been another aspect to the dilution of our Worldmark credits that most people seem to overlook. In recent years the new resorts have been constructed with 2 bedroom or greater units. This means that a couple, only needing a studio or 1 bedroom, must cash in more credits or bonus points. When we originally purchased our shares in 1993 we could stay at any resort in the system. Now we are limited to the older resorts. |
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Posted: Thu 19 Apr 2007 5:24 pm |
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| lowellploss wrote: | | There has been another aspect to the dilution of our Worldmark credits that most people seem to overlook. In recent years the new resorts have been constructed with 2 bedroom or greater units. This means that a couple, only needing a studio or 1 bedroom, must cash in more credits or bonus points. When we originally purchased our shares in 1993 we could stay at any resort in the system. Now we are limited to the older resorts. | I know! 3 of my drive toos don't have studios. Gleneden has a few 1 bdrms but Depoe Bay ad Schooners......nope! I have to fork over for the 1 and 2 bdrms there....of course people all over love to go there to so we still are fighting for the 2 bdrms even if we don't need them because they are assigned the lower credit value. I'm outta luck most of the time anyway!  |
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Posted: Thu 19 Apr 2007 5:25 pm |
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Higher credit values also increases the management fees each unit generates.
Got to get around that silly 5% max somehow! |
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Posted: Thu 19 Apr 2007 5:28 pm |
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| And of course, another thing that dilutes the credits is the introduction of resorts that are not booked using credits. The resort in Grand Lake, OK is only booked at 15% using credits! That's abysmal! Where do the other 85% of the credits get used? Hmmmm, maybe Hawai'i, Depoe Bay, Oceanside Harbor? |
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Posted: Thu 19 Apr 2007 5:34 pm |
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| lconnors wrote: | | And of course, another thing that dilutes the credits is the introduction of resorts that are not booked using credits. The resort in Grand Lake, OK is only booked at 15% using credits! That's abysmal! Where do the other 85% of the credits get used? Hmmmm, maybe Hawai'i, Depoe Bay, Oceanside Harbor? | Following Peggy Frys statement in the Insider and the Destination, I'd say they know, but aren't telling. |
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Posted: Fri 20 Apr 2007 8:18 am |
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| lowellploss wrote: | | There has been another aspect to the dilution of our Worldmark credits that most people seem to overlook. In recent years the new resorts have been constructed with 2 bedroom or greater units. This means that a couple, only needing a studio or 1 bedroom, must cash in more credits or bonus points. When we originally purchased our shares in 1993 we could stay at any resort in the system. Now we are limited to the older resorts. |
But there are also a few instances of the opposite happening. The Camlin has only four or five two-bedroom units, and the new San Diego resort has no two-bedrooms. There are also some older resorts with no two-bedrooms -- Pismo or Marina Dunes, I think??? With my family of 6, we have just the opposite of your problem -- there are resorts that we can't fit into. While I don't like it, I acknowledge that this is one area where they can't make everyone happy all the time.  |
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Posted: Fri 20 Apr 2007 8:52 am |
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| scrappymt wrote: | | There are also some older resorts with no two-bedrooms -- Pismo or Marina Dunes, I think??? | Marina Dunes only have 2BR (and 2BR SN) units. |
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Posted: Fri 20 Apr 2007 4:06 pm |
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Wow, nice big jump.  |
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Posted: Mon 14 May 2007 3:22 am |
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| Use the 'Exchange" booking window 60 day out and any resort is 4,000 credits per week. |
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Posted: Mon 14 May 2007 11:08 am |
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| BonustimeJunki wrote: | | Use the 'Exchange" booking window 60 day out and any resort is 4,000 credits per week. |
Plus exchange fee. |
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Posted: Tue 04 Sep 2007 1:17 pm |
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| Even if there was no exchange fee the thought of planning all of my vacations with such short notice is a stupid idea. Most people work and therefore can not get the time off they need unless they plan for the year ahead. So say my husband asks for a week in June off and we wait for the exchange period than we can't get a location that is even with in our area, we would be staying home that year from a vacation. Why do they have to make the resorts use so many credits that the average family can't even go anywhere worth gong to. Please think of the "unimportant owners" when planning the amount of credits needed. [-X |
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Posted: Tue 04 Sep 2007 2:00 pm |
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| vhansen wrote: | Even if there was no exchange fee the thought of planning all of my vacations with such short notice is a stupid idea. Most people work and therefore can not get the time off they need unless they plan for the year ahead. So say my husband asks for a week in June off and we wait for the exchange period than we can't get a location that is even with in our area, we would be staying home that year from a vacation. Why do they have to make the resorts use so many credits that the average family can't even go anywhere worth gong to. Please think of the "unimportant owners" when planning the amount of credits needed.  |
I agree with you. Planning is part of the whole thing and we have to be able to plan where to stay.
As far as how they allocate credits, WorldMark is simply a cash cow to Wyndham and they'll milk it for all it's worth.
This is why we need an independent Board of Directors. We need representatives that will be truly represent WM owners, not Wyndham stockholders!!!!!
Please look at my signature line, as well as those of many others here and support Philip's proxy drive!!!
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Posted: Thu 02 Apr 2009 7:36 pm |
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I have been an owner since 1998...alot has changed...I use to get bonas time at the coast anytime I needed. now I have to book months out. I wish they wouldnt tell people to book times they want to sell or hold just to get other ways to use less points??? I liked it better when you didnt have to play games! |
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Posted: Thu 02 Apr 2009 7:47 pm |
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| hotweathertraveler wrote: | I have been an owner since 1998...alot has changed...I use to get bonas time at the coast anytime I needed. now I have to book months out. I wish they wouldnt tell people to book times they want to sell or hold just to get other ways to use less points??? I liked it better when you didnt have to play games! |
The new resorts are coming in at very high resort values. The memberships being sold by Wyndham can quite often be small starter memberships. Thus the Oregon coast is where many new owners as well as long time owners go.  |
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